DONE (Democrats Over Nominating Elitists)

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Come on… I can tell you’re too smart to actually believe the stuff you wrote here. Right?

Are we so used to pandering and the politics of the least common denominator that we don’t know how to actually listen to something pretty reasonable?

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I don’t think he’s “slurring” anyone. He certainly isn’t making the universal arguments you imply.

Yours,
John Brown
I’m Just Sayin’

While I think the words are being a bit exploited, Obama’s campaign and those who support him do come from a place of privilege and don’t understand the plight of those who have less and can’t go to Starbucks every morning. This is a real problem that will be further magnified during the general election - he has not and cannot seem to connect to the bread and butter democratics. Thank God for superdelegates who may actually figure this out before it is too late.

Unfortunately folks, the true Obama is showing through. The comment speaks volumes about his true feelings (or lack of them) regarding the working people of this country. I would ask you all to take a little time and look into this man’s political track record back in Illinois. Get to the top no matter what! Granny

Obama is a racist PIG. His true color are showing

Even you don’t believe what you are writing here. Obama is just talking about the effect that not having a decent job has on one’s life…how it causes people to cling to biases and stereotypes after a while. You are looking for a reason to criticize rather than to understand. Do you work for Fox? Hannity? O’Reilly? Ann Coulter? Limbaugh? Goebbels?

Try this on for size:

“You go into these ghettos in South Central and Detroit, the welfare has been gone now for 7 years and nothing’s replaced it. It was removed under Clinton and Bush has continued to withhold it.

And it’s not surprising then the blacks get bitter, they cling to criminality and pimping, senseless violence, broken families and hating whitey, Latinos, or anyone else that’s trying to take what’s left of their entitlements as a way to explain their laziness and frustrations.

Pretty empathic, huh? Do you admire me?

Obama the magical negro and his cult flower smellers will explain ANYTHING he says.

Take the blinders off man there is NOTHING magical about him except his ability to decieve

Join my cult and sell flowers for me at the airport. I promise to raise taxes and advance partial birth abortions

I just heard Karl Rove say that with these small town comments BHO just lost any chance he had of winning in PA. As one who grew up in small town PA, I think this will not sit well with those “typical small town folks”. It comes off condescending and elitist.

Whenever Obama speaks off the cuff, he always ends up with his foot in his mouth. That, however, is the least of his problems. It is “the company he keeps”, as Andrew McCarthy wrote about on national review.com. Obama counts among his friends the likes of Wright, Rezko, Ayers, Khalidi, and Farrakhan, known anti-Americans, anti-Semites, criminals, terrorists, PLO supporters, and racist black separatists. These are facts!!! WHY is the Obama-loving corrupt left-wing media not reporting these facts??? We voters are appealing to them to please do so before it is too late! If Obama becomes the nominee, we dems will have no choice but to vote for McCain. At least he loves America!

How are Obama’s statements elitist? How are they condescending? Aren’t the American people becoming bitter over continually being lied to and hoodwinked by Wasington–especially the Republican machine? I am, and I don’t think I’m alone. Obama tells the truth and makes an accurate observation about human nature, and good old attack politicks kick in again. Haven’t all of you had enough of the Roves and Clintons of the political establisment? Why don’t you want things to change?

Abe Linclon came to a small Pennsylvania Town.

George Washington spent a winter in a small Pennsylvania town.

Obama doesn’t know it..but he lost this state and
maybe a whole lot more…Hope he stays in CA
where he belongs.

Well…Barack just lost ALL of Appalachia.

I am a long time Republican. With respect to Democrats, I don’t think you realize what you are moving to your presidential candidacy. Mr. Obama is a classical liberal, out of touch with the American middle class. The sense of this is just now beginning to come out, and it will only get worse over time.

Frankly, I figured that Republicans would lose everything in 2008, but Obama may just make this an exception.

what a load of crap ! obama just slammed middle america. who in the hell does he think he is ? like hannity said ” the puzzle is coming together on obama “. its one bad blunder and scandal after another. but this time, america has his words to consider. he said these words himself, words that mean something. words that insult millions of people, potential voters, what a buffoon……….

All I can say to Obama is
Some people are born bastards and some people have to work at it….

SB

You sure know how to come back at Obama in the same style! GOOD JOB!

Maybe the people in small town Pa. are bitter about their jobs . I know some that are for sure. But they don’t have guns and go to church because of it. That part of the statement made little sense. They have their guns because they love to hunt or target shoot and they go to church because they love God. And when they go to church they are not sitting and listening to racist sermons. That is for Barack to do. Who is he to comment on anyone elses racism!!! Barack is a half white and half black man trying to hard to prove his blackness. He has to many mental issues to be president.

John Brown and Jim - DO YOU HAVE BLINDERS ON - I can not believe that you would support anything that Obama says - if Hillary or McCain had said something like that - the biased media would have been all over it - have you been drinking the purple kool aid???

hmmm Looks like Obama’s true colors are showing.

Let me use Obama’s own saying to describe his speeches. Just words? Just words? So you know in this speech, he meant it. His comments in this speech - translation: small towns people, you are so stupid!

BTW, what kind of “glorious” background and parents’ background he came from??? Excuse me!?

When Dems win the preidency its with moderate/slightly right,usually from the south/midwest who have broad appeal, particularly with working folks(Truman-48,Johnson-64,Carter-76, Clinton-92,96,Gore-2000);when we lose,or really get our ass kicked it’s with northern liberals who,shall we say,have spent more time in Harvard yard than cooking burgers in the back yard, and more time in school than on a farm or a mill(Stephenson-52,56,Humphrey-68, Mcgovern-72,Mondale-84,Dukakis-88,Kerry-2004).The only exceptions were1960 with JFK (but he had to team with a southerner-LBJ and an argument can be made that they still had to steal the election). Of course,in 1980 Carter had multiple serious problems with which to contend(hostage crisis,oil embargo, inflation and interest rates,some post watergate crap and a third party candidate from midwest -anderson). This is not to denigrate our more liberal bretheran,just to say that demographics and culteral matters undeniably give Dems a brtter shot with amore moderate/slightly right leaning nominee.Looking at this pattern,it is neither surprising nor comforting that northern liberal Obama is having a hard time connecting with blue collar,church going,gun toting workers in key states like Ohio and Pennsylvania.Give him some more experience and maybe more moderate positions(and less radical associates)and he may have alot to offer-in the future.BUT,probably simply unelectable in a general election now.

Read the entire statement. Get the context for what he was saying. I am an Obama backer and at first was dismayed when I heard of this quote. Just like I was with the Wright clips. But you gotta look at the whole thing.

And what Obama said was brilliant and brave and once again shows strength and the leadership that we need. The emperor has no clothes. Life is not a TV show with problems solved in 22 minutes. It is not just a sound bite. Let’s have a discussion, America.

And stop believing it is all black or white. The world is gray. Nothing is a simple as the traditional politicians want you to believe. They want to make it simple for you, so you don’t have to think too long or too hard, because then you are much easier to control.

Go to a small town. You think they aren’t bitter when the $25 an hour factory job has been gone for years? You think they believe Washington as it currently is constructed cares about them? What have they done for them in the past 16 years? But Washington wants their vote every four years so they push their buttons with Gun rights and religion and gay marriage and illegal immigration and it’s easy to understand and it’s a quick fix and makes you feel good. But nothing changes. Obama wants to help us change. Thank you, Obama.

Here is the full quote:

OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it’s fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people are most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre…they’re misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to ‘white working-class don’t wanna work — don’t wanna vote for the black guy.’ That’s…there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it’s sort of a race thing.
Here’s how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn’t buy it. And when it’s delivered by — it’s true that when it’s delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.

But — so the questions you’re most likely to get about me, ‘Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?’ What they wanna hear is — so, we’ll give you talking points about what we’re proposing — to close tax loopholes, you know, roll back the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama’s gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we’re gonna provide health care for every American.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you’ll find is, is that people of every background — there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you’ll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I’d be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you’re doing what you’re doing.

Obama is not making any RACIST of SLANDEROUS remarks. He is stating a basic fact that job losses through the Clinton and Bush administrations have caused a lot of heartache to working class lunch bucket democrats. That is all. Clinton, Mccain and the press are misinterpreting it to see whatever they want to see.

Boy, it just gets worse and worse.

Sorry, Tim, the full quote makes it worse. Obama needs to stop generalizing. He’s painting entire swaths of people in broad (and often wrong) strong.

So, now they’re all cynics — that’s why they’re not buying his message. Um, no, Obama, that’s not true of everybody. There are optimists in Pennsylvania who don’t buy your message because you’ve been duplicitious (as you were about Selma, Rezko, NAFTA, and oil money).

And they’re skeptical of him because he’s a black man. Um, no, Obama, that’s not true of everybody. Some people in Pennsylvania are skeptical of you because you are inexperienced.

The last part indicates that he and his supporters just don’t get it. If Obama isn’t “strong” with some voters, it has nothing to do with Obama. Oh, no. It’s them. They’re cynics. They don’t trust the government. They fell through the cracks. They love guns and religion and hate immigrants. They’re racist.

No, Obama: you are a weak candidate. It’s you and your flaws. Not they and them. YOU are why you’re not strong in Pennsylvania!

Tell you what, I seriously doubt barak huiessen obama have what it takes to become President, look dudes, the guy suks, he just don’t have it in Him, I used to believe that he was ok, but after listening to him on the campaign trail, I’ve becoming more doubtful in him. The guy is somewhere in space. People only like him because of his “Dr. Martin Luther King” type of talking, you know, “howling at the moon practically about nothing”. Sorry, the guy is somewhere in space.

Telling people to hang on religion and guns, barak huiessen obama, come on. Bush say somethink like that, henry waxman would be holding hearings, you know he will.

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People need to grow up and read between the lines. Obama made some clear analysis about frustrations facing small town america. Viewers should appreciate his honesty and work with him to create the change needed to improve their lives for themselves and their families

I like Obama. He would make a much better neighbor than COLORED George Jefferson. But i do get offended by him since he doing much better for himself than i ever could. Blacks represent the lowest common denominator that white people in society benchmark themselves against. Working class people like myself won’t vote for him because it admits inferiority. The same way any white woman married to a black man is white trash.

Surprise, Surprise, Surprise, another off context (sound bite) analysis from, (Fake Christian) Sean Hannity who has made his carrier bashing Obama daily; and other far right politicians who will do and say anything to justify keeping our beloved young men and women in Iraq; to continue to die in a war waged in error by the current administration, what a shame.
Any intelligent person without a controlled mind can read the entire quote posted by Tim above and decide for themselves. Remember reading is fundamental, and knowledge is power.

Wright ’s infuence is deep rooted in BHO. It is buried within him. Now and again it shows up. This is not surprising at all.

Obama’s observation that some people are bitter is correct. But his claim that they “cling” to guns, religion and racism because of it is nonsense. Is he saying that if people were less bitter they’d sudden become atheists and turn in their guns? Obama is completely out of touch with people in that part of the country. He just doesn’t get it.

Condescension is what people slip into when they don’t take the time to realize other people have differing views, and that those views, experiences and thoughts matter.

Condescension exposes the snobbery of the speaker. It doesn’t matter whether it’s Obama or a poster on the Internet. When someone says…. “you don’t “really” believe that” or “you only think that way because”, the speaker is claiming superior knowledge over another person’s life. That is hardly a way to win friends.

Most people don’t think this all the way through, they just have a gut reaction…. who the eff are you to tell me who I am. The reaction is visceral, and real.

Obama can kiss the WH good bye.

The bitterness on this blog seems pretty clear.

I was at one of those California fund raisers and there was nothing elitist or out of touch about Obama. In the one I attended, he said that guns were just as much a part of the social and cultural fabric of rural America as “playing catch” was to those Americans who liked baseball. He contrasted a cultural hunting experience to his own city experience of guns in schools, and concluded that there was no realistic chance to eliminate gun use and that the most pragmatic course was to enact peripheral legislation such as background checks.

He acknowledged the audience (from whom he raised $750,000 from 400 people — do the math) as “winners” of the global economy, but warned that not everyone was winning, and that unless more people won economically, protectionist sentiment from both Republicans and Democrats might lead to choking the neck of the goose that lays the golden eggs.

In the context of explaining his deep belief that its possible to make some progress solving longstanding political problems, he also correctly noted that some “issues” are wedge issues not raised to be solved but raised to stir up the passions and divide people.

He is one of the most thoughtful, articulate communicators I have seen.

Vote for McCain if you think he’s the berries, but get over the need to run the opposition candidates down with bush league psychoanalysis, and stop obsessing over Obama.

yall are dumb if yall believe dis b****…….jus bias b******

What makes Obama different is that when other politicians are caught with a bad sound bite they immediately try to spin it or distance themselves. Or lie about it and say it’s not true.

But not Obama. He didn’t do it with the Wright issue - you know every other politician would have distanced themselves, not try to explain it in grown up, mature terms - which he did so eloquently in his “A More Perfect Union” speech. And he didn’t do it with this issue. Here is what he said at his speech Friday night about the “small town bitterness”:

“When I go around and talk to people, there is frustration and there is anger and there is bitterness. And what’s worse is when people are expressing their anger, and politicians try to say, ‘What are you angry about?’ ”

“Of course they’re bitter. Of course they’re frustrated. You would be, too — in fact, many of you are.”

“And so people don’t vote on economic issues, because they don’t expect anybody’s going to help them. People are voting on issues like guns, are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. They take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and the things they can count on. But they don’t believe they can count on Washington.”

“Here’s what’s rich: Senator Clinton says, ‘I don’t think people are bitter in Pennsylvania. I think Barack’s being condescending.’ John McCain says, ‘He’s obviously out of touch with people.’ Out of touch? John McCain, it took him three tries to figure out the home foreclosure crisis was a problem and to come up with a plan for it, and he’s saying I’m out of touch? Senator Clinton voted for a credit-card-sponsored bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people to get out of debt — after taking money from the financial services companies — and she says I’m out of touch?

“No, I’m in touch. I know exactly what’s going on. . . . People are fed up. They’re angry and they’re frustrated and they’re bitter, and they want to see a change in Washington.”

Obama’s lumping together of rural Pennsylvanians as clinging to guns and religion, being anti-immigration, anti-trade, anti- people who are different, all under the umbrella of bitterness over the economy and jobs is a slam to PA voters. Speaking these words to one of his mega-rich, no media allowed (now we know why) fundraisers on Millionaire’s Row in San Francisco last weekend, he slammed the door in the faces of the thousands of Pennsylvanians who had greeted him just a week before on his six day bus trip through our state. Pandering to his billionaire supporters, he threw PA voters under the bus, just like he did with his “typical white person” reference to the grandmother who helped raise him. As the two-sidedness phoniness of Obama continues to emerge, we learn more and more that something just isn’t right about all the pretty speeches he makes. As he traveled through PA on his bus trip, we saw much coverage of his many side trips….. bowling, stopping in various sports bars, feeding baby cows at the Penn State cow barns, eating hot dogs in Altoona. Now, looking back, I see it all as a pretentious side-show, as he went running to his big donors and basically called PA voters a bunch of narrow-minded, prejudiced hicks. I am offended by this attitude, and by his later response of how “in touch” he is. He is the one who is being narrow-minded, prejudiced and looking at Pennsylvanians as a stereotype. This is unacceptable. And, he wants to be my president? I don’t think so.

Interesting how he takes Reverend Wright’s black oppression template and applies it to white hick oppression. You’re not in Chicago anymore, Obama.

From Mickey Kause @ slate.com:
Cling Along with Barack: The always-suspect Michael Lind nevertheless sends around a useful commentary on Obama’s gruesomely off-key condscension toward downscale Rustbelt voters:
According to Obama, working class (white) people “cling to guns” because they are bitter at losing their manufacturing jobs.

Excuse me? Hunting is part of working-class American culture. Does Obama really think that working-class whites in Pennsylvania were gun control liberals until their industries were downsized, whereas they all rushed to join the NRA …

I used to think working class voters had conservative values because they were bitter about their economic circumstances–welfare and immigrants were “scapegoats,” part of the false consciousness that would disappear when everyone was guaranteed a good job at good wages. Then I left college. …

P.S.: Because Obama’s comments are clearly a Category II Kinsley Gaffe–in which the candidate accidentally says what he really thinks–it will be hard for Obama to explain away. [He could say he was tired and it was late at night?--ed But he was similarly condescending in his big, heartfelt, well-prepared "race speech" when he explained white anger over welfare and affirmative action as a displacement of the bitterness that comes when whites are anxious about their futures, and feel their dreams slipping away; in an era of stagnant wages and global competition ...

Obama's new restatement confirms the Marxist Deskwork interpretation of the race speech, removing any honest doubt as to his actual attitude.

Rather than trying to spin his way out, wouldn't it be better for Obama to forthrightly admit his identity? Let's have a national dialogue about egghead condescension!]

P.P.S.: Note that guns are not the only thing Obama says “white working class” people “cling” to for economic reasons:

[I]t’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. [E.A.]

Hmm. Isn’t Obama the one who has been clinging to religion lately? Does he cling to his religion for authentic reasons while those poor Pennsylvania slobs cling to it as a way to “explain their frustrations”? … They worship an awesome God in the blue states because they’re bitter about stagnant wages! I think that’s what he said in his 2004 convention address … 4:41 P.M. link

Listen to the story from Obama in its entirety…
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBWx9

This is just another situation where someone says something that is taken out of context AND should have been better worded before it was said. Right now the MSM has a hard-on for BOTH Democrats so anything they say will be ripped to shreds.

If someone wants to call out an elitist, lying, pandering sack of shit, look no farther than John McCain. I’m just saying.

Anyone but the Republican in 2008.

Signed,

Bitter, small town, Democrat.

If this is the kind of “thoughtful” remark that spews from Obama’s mouth in a friendly setting, can you imagine what would happen if he got the opportunity to sit down with foreign leaders. Yowsa!

It’s exactly this kind of petty nitpicking and faux outrage that turned me off to the Rush Limbaugh crowd years ago. And here it is on a Democratic blog. We Dems are supposed to the serious party, but that isn’t at all apparent here.

For all the spin of the Drive-By Media, now everyone will know that this profoundly disgusting attitudes are not limited to Obama’s spiritual mentor (whom he distanced himself from, of course) or his wife, whispering sweet hatings into his ear at beddy-by time (just a little woman, pay her no never mind). Those attitudes are part and parcel of who and what Obama is, and what the Democratic party has been for a generation.
The Clintons hid it well, through misdirection letting everyone concentrate on the obvious lies; John Kerry and Dukakis not so well; and now comes Obama, so green and dorky he didn’t even get the fact that he let the cat out of bag, until the roof cave in on him.
His “explanation” was even worse tha the original comment, peppered with condescention toward “ordinary” Americans (as opposed to his extraorinary self, one presumes).
The Democrats do remind of a man jumping out of a 100th-floor window and changing his mind by the time he reached 40th, the problem is the alternative they come up with is to jump out of a 90th-floor window.

This is such nonsense. I mean, I can kind of see why folks might get offended at these remarks, but they seem more compassionate than anything. Certainly, they don’t deserve the kind of white-hot backlash they’ve been receiving the last couple of days.

Obama’s speaking the truth here and just suggesting the failed policies of the past have led to American forms of fundamentalism which operate around religion, guns, and xenophobic patriotism. How is that offensive?

Obama is starting to let his real personality show. Now us folks in the Midwest know how he feels about us.
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for Oliver, its not as offensive as you think, as a matter of fact senator Obama has gained popularity in the poles her in Pa.

It is that his statement confused frustration, with values: such as constitutionality, faith, etc.

His statement was simply wrong, not contemptuous or a slur.