Posted by: Old Major | June 20, 2008

Holy Arrogance Batman! Obama ‘Presidential Seal’ Causes Backlash

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HOW PRESUMPTUOUS !!!
What arrogance and disrespect for our traditions and national symbols. Obmabots follow the strategy that if you act like you’ve already won, people will jump aboard. If you tell a lie enough times, people will believe it. I resent Obama for using the presidential seal as a cheezy ploy to get votes. Obama will do anything to get elected. Vote for Senator John McCain in November.

At first I thought this was a joke. I’m certainly no fan of Obama, but I thought he was at least a bit better than this.

He puts the presumptuous in “presumptuous nominee.”

Perhaps Mr. Obama did not notice his seal looks like the Presidential seal. He does not seem to be that good on constitutional or historical details (e.g. 57 States, President of Canada, Auschwitz in Germany).

If he knew, one should question his judgment or lack thereof.

I thought it was a joke at first as well. Disturbing.

I trust the posts on donedems and yet I checked the links because this is just too much! I’ve been calling him a hypocrite but that doesn’t begin to cover it.
http://whatsuddenly.blogspot.com/2008/06/its-about-hypocrisy-stupid.html

Thanks for the post

Obama is not going to win. So he wants to pretend he’s President now. It’s the closest he’ll ever get, who can blame him?

http://thenewconservatives.blogspot.com/

What a jerk.

Great - Well its started - The united republic of Obama - formerly the United States of America.
How low can this guy go?

LOL, New Conservative.

Hopefully not too much longer, Janet.

He’s beginning to upset his followers: the “seal,” public financing flip flop, and now the FISA vote.

Perhaps the kool-aid will run out soon.

Let’s get rid of him before it’s too late! He gets scarier all the time!

How do you plan on getting rid of him? He has an army of young people who adore him. They don’t know the issues; only that he is young and fresh.

I agree he is getting me worried at this point. Obama’s intelligent supporters brush off his flip-flops and justify everything he says.

Obama has thugs in his camp and will do anything to get him elected. Thank goodness we have all these sites to keep us informed and encouragement to stay the fight.

At this point I think there are many senators and congress people who are having second thoughts, but are afraid to speak up.
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Simple N. Lee. We plan on voting for McCain :)

iam0nly1

I wouldn,t salivate too heavily about the negative aspects of the Obamaseal and its political and personal meanings. After all fewer than 100 people have made comment about this oddity on this site.
Those who would want to vent their unhappiness about Mr. Obama might want to recall that he and his campaign have a list of some 4 million plus people who have donated to his campaign, have volunteered to work for him and are quite vociferous supporters…who will not go away after the election either. So, what significance is there about a few dozen dissenters having their say about a non-issue?

RePe,

Ignore us and underestimate us at your own peril.

There are more than 4.5 million of us who are refusing to fall in line.

FYI, this isn’t the only site that’s talking about it…but I’m sure you knew that.

I’m not an American (I live in Italy) and i’m following this election. From the beginning i didn’t like “his highness” Obama the first. I don’t know there’s something about him that make me cringe. He thinks that he’s already won but I think It’s scary. Maybe he used some king of Jedi tricks to ipnotize many of his followers that he’s the MAN.

He’s a rockstar (with a super sized ego), but for an America President I look for a substance (like McCain) and not for an American Idol wanna be .

That’s just toooooo much arrogance even for me — Please folks — no obama no way! What a jerk!

I already despise Obama more than I have ever disliked any other candidate for President or any President, including George W. Bush.

Obama’s arrogance is beyond belief. I just pray that the American people will see him for the lying, elitist, inexperienced, anti-American, Hamas-supportive, self-centered, self-glorifying and condescending snob that he is.

There is no issue, no endorsement, no media, no extreme makeover and no propaganda that could ever make me vote for Obama.

I am done with the Democratic Party whose leaders have sacrificed integrity for deceit and their bedrock count-every-vote philosophy for the disenfranchisement of voters.

Obama’s perturbing presence reveals how many people know the difference between Facts and Lies.

OK.. let’s all sing together, Some Where Over The Rainbow! Oh I forgot we don’t have rainbows any more…He changed that too! A change you will regert. About his seal, it’s arrogant,but I do believe it’s telling us alot about him. It’s one color! Now that’s scary! I personally like the different colored threads making up the fabric of our great country.
“McCain 2008″

I kinda like the Wedgwood effect - looks like something Eleanor Rooseveldt might pick out.

New Beer- OBAMALITE
favorite animal- OBAMBI
favorite salad -Arugala
favorite 527-moveon
favorite hidden financier- George Soros
favorite relative- brother who think Obama is Muslim?
favorite pastor- Wright / right!
favorite friend Bill Ayres-terroist
favorite ‘partner- Michelle USA hater
favorite supporters- Chicago pols and associates
CHANGE we get is promices for more taxes

The latin on the “seal” is” vero possumus” It is supposed to mean ” yes we can ” but the literal translation is ( I took latin for three years so please allow me to take the liberty of saying oh wait it is still a free country I can say it ) VERO POSSUMUS looks for all the world like it SHOULD SAY
THE POSSUM IS DEAD and we all know what possums do when they play dead . This is so presumptuous and ridiculous . It is like a kid “playing” president .
the latin word for truth is VERE and means; in fact, real, true and Possum { possum posse potum }: to be able, avail, have influence, so his seal could also say I really influence , which is actually closer to what is going on .. and vero is also an adverb meaning certainly vero : in truth, indeed, to be sure / however. or so maybe we could say certainly the possum is dead? or closer to the actual truth of the purpose of obama having or needing a seal

IN FACT I WANT TO INFLUENCE YOU

I posted this at ClintonDems but i wanted to share it this is a great site !!

Some of you blog nuts are so pathetic…..not everything you think is worth saying…here a hint.

If you want people to take you serious, have a good valid point. Blogging should not be about silly rants about some person you dont like, but the exchange of ideas…good ideas.

Well, our Big City Socialist is really on a roll: has his own presidential seal, “don’t you dare call me a racist (as I am accusing you), “get over it ,girls, Hillary has come to heel” ,”I’ll get that $500 million by “hook or by crook” !! “This is my election”……on and on. Cheer, stomp, and shout as you will, folks…..hysteria is running full speed. Am I scared…..you bet I am!! So should you be!

Dave: Get a life, isn’t it time for your daily dose of kool-aid. What’s the flavor of the day?

obama’s arrogance and total disrespect for America, Americans and the Presidential Seal is abunduntly clear through this little “skit”. What is this guys problem? Oh, I know, he’s testing the seal for the fall season of SNL.

America please wake up before its too late. This is change no one should believe in.

Its not that serious. He has had this logo available on his website for download since the campaign started, I actually downloaded it with my desktop background.

I just love how people don’t have much to blog about so they blog about something as stupid as this. Obviously he isn’t going to change the actual US seal theres probably some law against that.
Also I just love how that seal was shown at a meeting with governors where they talked about issues happening in the states and what they government could do more to address each state specific issues. They talked about energy, infrastructure, education, and a whole host of important issues. And all you can talk about is this seal, interesting.

Obama is not arrogant… he is confident in his campaign and knows that America needs change.

America does need to wake up and see that Obama is the person to help this country.

Isn’t it common practice for a candidate to speak of themself as “the next president”? After all, Terry McAuliffe introduced Sen. Clinton as such on the day of the last two primaries - during which it was made certain (and the campaign knew) that Sen. Obama had the majority of electoral votes and Sen. Clinton would be unable to catch up?

Just asking.
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Yes, it is common.

It is not common for a candidate to re-create the Presidential seal in his own image. That’s arrogant.

Thanks for your comment.

dwilson “I already despise Obama more than I have ever disliked any other candidate for President or any President, including George W. Bush.”

Seriously? I will never dislike anyone as much as I hate that douchebag W.

I’m surprised Hillary didn’t have one made for herself when she believed she was entitled to the candidacy herself. She can still make one for herself but it’ll just sting that much more now. Is that what’s bothering you about this?
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This is about Obama’s arrogance. If you read the post, that would be obvious. Perhaps you need to come to grips with the fact that since she is no longer in the race, your Hillary-hatred needs to be channeled into trying to downplay Obama’s glaring deficiencies. Just a thought.

Does’nt anyone recognize that the seal is good marketing advertising for the Obama address.? It is easily remembered and generates support and funds. The publicity the seal has created is great for the campaign.

Is it the eagle on the sign that is bothering people? I see eagles on many T shirts everywhere in town, the stadium and in newspapers—even flying outside my home on occasion

The slogan embedded in the sign? But that is his message. The Latin part adds a bit of panache and elegance.

Maybe it is the roundness of the seal that people find upsetting? Would the writers react differently to a square sign and logo?

What is the problem?Do the writers not want to discuss issues? Is Obama the personality the problem here?
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Don’t you realize it’s also illegal, and more than a little arrogant. If you turned on CNN you would see they were discussing the same thing.

iam0nly1

what a pompous ass ! also, i believe that it is illegal. someone on aol posted federal law about doing what he did with the seal. everyday he does something or says something so out there that it shocks most moral thinking people.

It would appear that no matter what Sen Obama does those of you who are still squeezing your sour grapes from the prmiaries will find some fault with it. These are the same spurious comments that have been coming up all along. You complain if he wears a flag pin or if he doesn’t.

My personal favorite issue in this thread is that he attracts too many young voters and young voteres don’t know the issues.

Like you do. You can’t stop complaining about marketing maneuvers and parsing the fine details of off hand comments made by people the Sen might have know years ago to pay ANY attention to the issues.

Bring up one policy issue that Sen Clinton and Sen Obama disagree on.

Dare ya’!

Political Pyrate,

1) Mandate for truly Universal Health Care
2) Gas Tax Holiday, paid for by the Windfall Profits Tax
3) Talking to dictators without preconditions
4) Renegotiating NAFTA (Obama just did a summersault)

There are more, but since you only asked for one, I’m sure four is enough.

What do I get for winning the dare?

cereal, you need some protein

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The epitome of arrogant narcissistic self idolatry, and just plain freaking lame. I hope Obama’s geniuses keep coming up with this stuff. What a bunch of buffoons!

Prediction: We will see another CHANGE when this disappears never to be seen again … get ‘em while you can … destined to be collectors items for political hall of shame. Fire up the Tivos, there will be some classics coming from the late-night shows.

I am OnlyI:

There is nothing illegal about having a seal that may remind you of another seal. There are no intellectual property rights involved. It may not have been a good idea, but its perfectly acceptable. Have you listened to show tunes recently? Many have copyrighted strains.
CNN is not a good source for anything that requires some digging…ditto the other cable networks.
Re: the apparent differences between Obama and Clinton on the four issues that were mentioned:
1) truly universal health care is not promoted by either candidate. The key word is ” truly.”
2.gas tax holiday: the words were used casually by the candidates ( including McCain)…no specifics, no reasoning.3) NAFTA: all three are waverers on both sides of the issue.
4)Chatting with dictators: Obama is for prior preparations at a lower level…so is Clinton. Sorry!No cigar…not even Cuban ones.
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Obama pledged several times that he would meet with state sponsors of terrorism “without preconditions” and “in his first year.” He is on camera saying it. No amount of spin is going to change that. It was a bad, naive, dangerous idea then, and it’s still bad. If he is now trying to back away from that, it is more proof of his flip-floppery, hypocrisy, lies, and lack of integrity.

He must be a mental case!!!! Only a nutcake would hijack the seal!!!!! Who does he think he is????

What, seriously? You think this is a big deal, or even any sign of anything in particular at all?

This shows a heck of a lot more about the people complaining about it than it does about Obama.

And do you actually, like, have any evidence at all that the LA Times certificate is a fake?
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Perhaps you should do a little pre-research. Several observers have already done the leg-work showing that this “certification of live birth” is not an official Hawaiian birth certificate. All it takes is a simple google search, not that hard. Thank you for your comment.

I’m sorry, but some breathless googling and evidence are not synonymous in my book.
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How about you do a little leg work of your own, Bad. Excuse me if I don’t immediately trust a document handed over by the Obama campaign to Daily Kos. Not all of us worship the Obamessiah. Thank you for your comment.

iam0nly1

How arrogant!!! Where is the self righteous man who promotes change Americans can believe. I purposely did not say we, because I NEVER beleve I could trust him.

[...] has suddenly become one of the most sacred and inviolable images in the national consciousness. Holy Arrogance Batman! cries one anti-Obama [...]

PS: Bad, creating images that emulate the presidential seal too closely is illegal, and will earn you up to 6 months in prison.

RePe:

1) Obama’s “plan” leaves 15 million uninsured. And that’s a conservative estimate. Hillary’s plan has a mandate. Experts agree they are different and that Hillary’s plan will cover more. Further, her plan includes Mental Health Parity.

2) Obama opposed any kind of gas tax holiday, payed for or not. Your parsing isn’t going to change the policy difference.

3) Obama flip flopped on NAFTA. During the primaries he was against it, and claimed he had always been against it, and now all of a sudden, NAFTA is the best thing ever. Hillary was never happy with all the aspects of NAFTA, even during Bill’s administration, and many who were in the WH at the time testify to that. She wanted it renegotiated. Obama was using it for political gain and still lost OH by double digits.

4) Umm, there is AMPLE video of him saying unequivocally during the YouTube debate that he would meet with dictators w/o preconditions. His little fopo (foreign policy) minions are playing a semantics game (preconditions vs preparation) in order to back peddle. The guy is horribly naive and inexperienced and now he’s trying to cover it up.

Barack’s Seal is pure cheeseball, pretentious, and juvenile. Will SNL jump all over this? I doubt it. With that seal it would be fitting for BHO to wear a Burger King crown when he is at the podium. With this latest piece of work I believe he might be a malignant narcissist.

Perhaps you need to come to grips with the fact that since she is no longer in the race, your Hillary-hatred needs to be channeled into trying to downplay Obama’s glaring deficiencies. Just a thought.

Let’s reverse this

Should I channel my Obama hatred into supporting a republican candidate because I’m a sore loser? You are supporting 4-8 years of the failed policies of GW Bush out of some truly petty considerations. Not much of a thought, really.

. Excuse me if I don’t immediately trust a document handed over by the Obama campaign to Daily Kos.

Here’s how it works: you make an accusation, you back it up with something.

PS: Bad, creating images that emulate the presidential seal too closely is illegal, and will earn you up to 6 months in prison.

Not even close to relevant to this situation. The law in question is about people trying to pass off forgeries of the real thing. The logo in question uses iconography from the US seal in general (not even any specific or unique to the presidential one) and does not include the defining elements in any case. Most prominently, it doesn’t say anything about Obama being the president or anything else.

But please, don’t let reality get in the way of a good rant!

[...] gave away the things you loved And one of them was me I had some dreams they were clouds in … credit : [...]

[...] right folks, Barack Obama is now the Commander in Chief. At least now we know what the “seal” was [...]

Here ya go, Bad…

http://www.suitablyflip.com/suitably_flip/2008/06/kos-tries-to-pa.html

http://www.webloggin.com/obama-campaign-releases-certificate-of-birth-to-daily-kos/

Further, the scanned version has been debunked by numerous individuals. But I’ll let you Google that yourself. Apparently you get “breathless.”

Sensico,

In case you’re wondering, I deleted your rude post. If you have visited our Info you page, you are well aware of our comment standards.

Although, in response, you should know that Kos himself said and wrote on his site that he got the Certification of Birth from the Obama campaign after he requested it. It is widely reported that Daily Kos was the first to have the Certification. Further, I urge you not to be so gullible as to believe without question everything that Obama places on his “anti-smear” site. Anyone with a birth certificate of their own could ask the obvious question…where is the seal?

I would recommend that you calm down a bit, and show some respect. Ad hominem attacks are not persuasive.

How about McCains Presidentail seal? Where is the anger over that?
http://www.republicanmarket.com/store/item/63267.McCain.Presidential.Seal.Lapel.Pin

[...] The Obama Presidential seal flap: [...]

[...] pride in the American flag disappears. I haven’t been this shocked, shocked since Obama replaced the Presidential seal with his own. But, hey, with all the flip-flopping, promise breaking, and lying he’s been doing since [...]

As a presidential historian, I would say that this is unprecedented.

They said that Hillary Clinton had a sense of entitlement, but nothing she did compared to this.

i think that obama would make a greet president for the U.S

in case anyone who has not heard….the obama presidential seal uses the muslim rising sun sitting on top of fainted red and white stripes…the strips are not even the crimson red of our American Flag. You can go to The Muslim Sunrise home page and see the resemblance. American’s wake up………the Change will be horrific!!!!! He is making a mockery of our country as he campaigns!!!!!!

Andee

Obama’s arrogance makes me want to vomit!

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