Posted by: iam0nly1 | June 29, 2008

This Dog Won’t Hunt: Obama, Hound, and the Nominating Process

 Governor Ed Rendell and others would have us believe that supporting Senator Obama will result in the change of the current nominating system:

One last point – HOUND is not anti-PUMA. We agree with many of your grievances. For example, we, too, believe that the Democratic Party’s nominating process is unfair and undemocratic. We must change the policy where some votes are more important than others and some areas receive more delegates than their number of voters would justify – it violates the spirit of “one person, one vote.” We must eliminate caucuses that are inherently undemocratic and disenfranchise seniors (no absentee voting for those who can’t go to the polls), shift workers and our military. Forcing people to declare their preference in public also violates another cherished principle that undermines our democracy.

So, we are asking all PUMA members to curb your disappointment, mute your anger and frustration and join HOUND to help change America. While the PUMA may be more swift and athletic, the HOUND is smarter and more perceptive.

No Deal, Rendell. This dog won’t hunt. 

It’s simple; if Obama were to reform the nominating process it would be admittance that his own flimsy nomination was not truly legitimate. It confirms that he was not the choice of the voters and that the caucus and delegate apportionment systems are unfair.

If anyone believes for a second that voting for Senator Obama will in any way ensure that the Democratic Nominating process will be reformed in any substantive or fair way, they are fooling themselves. How can we hope to change a system by anointing the very people who benefited the most from it and stand to lose the most by rejecting and reforming it?

Voting for Senator Obama ensures that the people who orchestrated this disaster gain power they are seeking and retain it. With Senator Obama as our nominee, he is ultimately the leader of the Party: his word goes. The immediate move of the DNC to Chicago should signal this, and also, that the fix has been in for a long time. 

Senator Obama is concerned with consolidating his power. The system was set up and exploited in a way to benefit and prop up his candidacy. Those who created and manipulated the process will be the ones who benefit and gain the most from Obama’s nomination and presidency and thus will not be the bringers of reform. Lest we forget, should Obama be elected he will want to be reelected and no moves will be made that would risk the nomination of another in his stead in 2011.

Afterall, this is the same man who at the recent joint fund raising appearance with he and Senator Clinton, in response to a question of whether or not their would be a roll call vote at the Convention, reportedly responded that “he was not going to ‘negotiate’ the convention” at the event. This man is clearly willing and able to “negotiate” away the rules and principles of the Democratic Party in order to assume power.

Obama’s nomination is ultimately about the take over of the Democratic Party by the radical far left. It has been in the works for years, and Senator Obama is merely the puppet and face of the movement. If we sanction them at the polls, it could be decades before our Party regains any semblance of the Party we once knew when we joined years, and in some cases, decades ago.

The Party and Obama must be shown that the voters know their tactics are illegitimate and corrupt. They must be shown that when you go against the will of the voters, you will eventually have to answer to them at the polls. They must know that we will not blindly follow as they trample on the principles of the Party and Democracy. They must know that they are not the ones who choose the nominee, we, the voters, are. We and our chosen candidate have been ignored, and denigrated and told we are illegitimate and not needed. It is clear the “New Democratic Party” has no room or need for us. Donna Brazile was outspoken about this much on CNN. I’m with Paul Begala:

 When people say things — I love Donna and we go back 22 years. 
We’ve never been on different sides of an argument in our entire lives.
 But if her point is that there’s a new Democratic Party that some how
 doesn’t need or want white working-class people and Latinos, well count 
me out. [emphasis mine]

We must stand up now if we have any hope of having a Party that represents us. The only way to do this is to reject them at the polls in November. 

Responses

The insanity has not stopped since Oprah gave her seal of approval to BO several months ago. From that point cable news (especially msnbc) became Obama surrogats. It was of no concern that his resume was/is so thin that if held up to light you can see through it. Obama was new-shinny and smiled. Edwards was already seen as a 2x loser and Hillary, attacking her became every day sport.

So now we have this media generated. inexperienced, unqualified, power hungry novice about to get disemboweled by the GOP/Swift machine. And let’s not forget the stupid/super delegates who have lost so much respect that they just may have decided their last campaign cycle.

After much thought I will be writing in Hillary Clinton in November.

Couldn’t agree with you more.

I’m not sure what possessed Ed Rendell to think this would work. But I think it is appropriately named since most of us have been hounded to death by Obama’s hordes. Some one suggested that it was a subtle warning that they were going to “sic the dogs on us PUMAs”. Good thing I have pepper spray and mace! I just hope they have had their rabies shots. PUMA power!

Thanks so much to you and all at the other JustSayNoDeal sites who are putting the true details out there. It’s so great to read what I’ve been thinking. Keep sending the message.

Timetable - July: media keeps speculating on why Clinton supporters won’t drink the Kool Aid and sign on with Obama — and then MAYBE they start taking a closer look at Obama and find ???? not much - -

late July: delegates start to get nervous; can’t quite explain why it is that they’re supporting Obama — what is it that he’s accomplished? What proof is there that he’s capable of accomplishing anything?? Maybe it would be a good idea to at least give all delegates a chance to vote for Hillary?

early August: delegates (especially those up for election in Nov.) get bombarded with questions — Why Obama? Some start changing their minds and support Clinton — a trickle becomes a landslide!!

Convention: Democracy restored and Clinton is nominated! On to victory in November!!

Agree with you totally…They must not be allowed to rip the party out of our hands….this is a coup de ta (however you spell that) If Obama wins then they get away with it….No way no how should this be allowed to happen…

Clearly, DNC officials grooming Senator Obama to head their new party failed to foresee Senator Clinton would prove to be such a strong candidate, especially after February when news of Reverend Wright hit the airwaves. The better she did, the more desperately they tried to force her to concede the race. Eventually, having run out of plausible rouses to make their man the winner, they resorted to the absurd, awarding him not only delegates they stole from her but also delegates intended for “Uncommitted.” It is primarily this undermining of the process that has alienated us from the DNC; forcing this particular result on us, that is, selecting an unfit man over a qualified woman, only adds insult to injury.

“While the PUMA may be more swift and athletic, the HOUND is smarter and more perceptive.”

In what dream world is that true? A HOUND is a domesticated slave animal that are comfortable being leashed and collared. PUMAS are wild predators that can ambush, stalk, as well as run down prey in open terrain. Just try putting a collar around a PUMA’s neck!

This will be a devastating defeat for Body Odor, Howard the Coward and the radical left. The DNC has disowned the two great centrist Clinton victories, so this will leave the radical left with a 1-8 losing record over 40 years.

This clearly is like Cinderella’s step sister trying to force her fat foot into Cinderella’s slipper….No way will it fit…the more they try to present Obama as the ideal democratic candidate the more ridiculous they look….Compared to Hillary, he looks way out of his league…He clearly needs a few years of experience and maybe a spine transplant too…

Great article! I couldn’t agree with you more. It is laughable what the Dem. powers that be are trying to get all of us to ‘fall in line’ like mindless little minions. Not happenin’. Period. They must learn that what they have pulled is totally unacceptable and UN-democratic.

My only fear now is that enough of us Hillary supporters will write her name in causing B-Ho to actually win this thing. I wish all of us could see our way to voting for McCain as I fear a write in will be a ‘wasted vote’ if he wins anyway. If that happens, Donna Brazille, will be proven correct that we are no longer needed in the party.

I will be voting McCain 2008 and HILLARY 2012!!!

Please do not stay home; go and vote in November. And do not write in Hillary’s name. If all 18 million would write in her name it may vote but it is not going to happen. Almost 75% of her supporters have joined Obama’s camp. Hillary cannot win unless a miracle happens at the convention. If refuse to go vote and/or write Hillary’s name in the ballot Obama will absolutely win. Let’s vote for McCain instead to make sure Obama looses this election. We must prove to the Democrat Party leaders that we are angry with their choice. Our protest will be a vote cast for McCain.

I have never voted for a Republican candidate. However, McCain is more to the center than any other Republican President or Candidate. I believe I will be very comfortable with voting for McCain.

McCain ‘08 and Hillary ‘12!!

Please don’t write in Hillary, because the large voter turn out will nullify your vote. But a vote for McCain would count as TWO votes. one that takes away from the DNC/Obama. One you give to the other side. As hard as that is, it’s the only way to get back the PARTY.

Rendell is just another dog with his tail between his legs, too cowardly to stand up and be a worthwhile politician.. . who actually cares about the constitution before caring about the damned DNC- just an orginization.

Well-written! Hear, hear!

I am a Pennsylvania resident, and I cannot betray some feelings of disappointment that my Governor is doing this. I loved him as he campaigned with Hillary before April 22, but this is too much.

The nomination does not serve as absolution for Obama’s flaws. His inexperience, his questionable relationships, and his silence in the face of the sexist attacks on Hillary prevent me from voting for this “man” - a term I use loosely. Moreover, I cannot vote for him as the Democratic nominee because of the horrendous actions of the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee - stealing four delegates from one candidate and giving them (and an additional 55) to the other is unacceptable. Sorry, Ed - the Democratic Party has left me. Not the other way around.

ATTENTION: PLEASE contact your state’s Secretary of State, because if you WRITE-IN Hillary’s name in November, some states automatically assign your vote to your candidate’s party - so a vote for Hillary might actually become a vote for Obama!

I can never vote for Obama. He is not democratic material and neither was this election. It was stolen from Hillary and the real democratic voters. I will not stay home and let Obama steal the POTUS. He is dangerous to America. John McCain is a patriot and he will receive my vote. I will not vote for any democrat who supports Obama. The democratic party needs to be cleansed of these extreme leftists who have taken it over. I have voted straight democratic for 41 years. Well no more. Pelosi and Dean and their un-American candidate will not get my vote now or ever on any ticket. Think about what it would be like to have Obama as your president and know that writing in Hillary’s name will help Obama. Vote for John McCain who is a patriot. I may not always agree with him but I don’t agree with anything Obama says or does or our NEW democratic party.

Let’s see which of these would be more unfair:

a. The rules committee sets out criteria for nominating a candidate. The States follow those rules and elect delegates to the National Convention. The delegates elect the candidate. The candidate becomes the nominee.

b. The rules committee sets out criteria for nominating a candidate. The States follow those rules and elect delegates to the National Convention. After all of the primaries have been held, backers of the candidate who lost this process rationalize that there is a more democratic process. They use that argument to convince the Rules Committee to change it’s criteria to suit their idea of this “more democratic process.” Now the Rules committee steps in, takes away the voting rights of all of the delegates, and hands the nomination to the candidate who would have lost the election under the original system.

The point is there is a right way and a wrong way to go about making change. If you believe there is a “more fair way” to elect the candidate, by all means. But to argue it is fair to do so afterward is absurd.

Rationalization — as logical as it might be — does not equal fairness. “Fairness” is adherence to the established rules of the game. Take baseball for example. In baseball the hardest standard “hit” is a triple. It is far more rare than a home run and requires the tandem ability of hitting and speed to achieve. Nevertheless, according to the Rules of the Game, I get a run for a home run and only good placement for a triple.

Doesn’t seem quite fair does it? If we are celebrating overall athletic ability, shouldn’t we reward the more difficult task with a greater score? In basketball I get two points for a short shot and three for a long one. The long one is harder, so I get a greater reward. That seems fair. Wouldn’t it be more fair to change the rules of baseball to grant one run for a home run, two runs for a triple, and three for an inside the park home run?

Well call the commissioner’s office grandma, we got us some record books to change!

ImperfectUnion.com

Atomic Punk,

First and foremost, your entire premise is flawed. If the rules are unfair then the game is unfair. We must always question why the rules were created, by whom, who they benefit and who they disadvantage. If we abided by the rules until they were changed women and men of color still would not have the right to vote, and America would be under British Rule.

Second, it’s clear you haven’t been paying attention. Reading (b) lead me to believe you were discussing the undemocratic actions of the Rules and Bylaws Committee on May 31st. The RBC violated their own rules when they arbitrarily reassigned 55 “uncommitted” delegates to Senator Obama, and for good measure took 4 delegates away from Senator Clinton and also bestowed them upon Senator Obama. The rules do not allow for such a decision. Had FL and MI been seated properly and in accordance with the results of the vote, Hillary Clinton would have been the pledged delegate leader.

The powers that be handed Senator Obama the nomination on a silver platter. The rules were not followed. Thus, neither of your premises hold true.

Thank you for your comment.

it never failed to amaze me what he said how many time I hear or read it. he basicallt said , yes he became the nominee by a flawed and undemocratic proccess which awarded him delegate illigaly but forget all that and elect him a president and I promise I will fix it next time. what the f*****

PUMA is really starting to make the DNC take notice. Let tem notice this….NO contributions to DNC or Obama. When the Convention is held in Denver….do you think the networks will take notice that we will tune in only to hear Hillary & Bill…and tune out everything else. Let the networks feel our pain….in their rating, which effects their pockets. The DNC did not count on dealing with the wrath of the Democratic women.
As they will be saying ine Beijing very soon…..LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!! My vote counts….and it will NEVER GO TO OBAMA!!!

I’ve been a Democrat for all my life, and am seriously consider to cross party line to vote for McCain. OB has nothing to offer this country except the ‘wrong’ change. No vote or money for Democrat this election.

Tam4hillary PA

I believe it was a setup with Wesley Clark to give Obama a chance to play patriot. Wesley Clark should be ashamed of himself. I think he said that so Obama could give that so called patriot speech (and pretend he knew nothing and wasn’t involved-ha!). What about that flag pin he wouldn’t wear (”because it didn’t mean anything” and not putting his hand over his heart, but just standing like he was in a casual conversation). Obama wanted to pretend to be the good guy, which I know better after the negativity against Bill and Hillary in his primary campaign.

I am voting for John Mccain. I think that writing Hillary’s name in will do nothing to keep obama out of the white house. I think we HAVE to give all of our votes to John Mccain and elect him. Anything less then ALL FOR MCCAIN, I’m afraid will cause us to be burdened with Barack as President. If we allow that I KNOW we will be one sorry group (Huge Group, I must add) of Americans.

WE HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE SURE OBAMA DOES NOT GET ELECTED. WE MUST VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN, BY THE MILLIONS.

If a few million of us vote for Mccain, and a few million write-in Hillary’s name and then a few million stay home I don’t think we will succeed in our goal of NOBAMA. We must all get on the same page and vote John Mccain. I know that many of you don’t want to do that BUT if we don’t then I fear, The split will allow Obama to win the election.

I’m falling behing John Mccain.

I’m falling behind John Mccain. (I had a typo, above)

Too bad the political process diverts all of our attention away from enacting actual positive change in our world. How about a redistribution of wealth that gives power to the millions and millions of workers and not just the 1% elite who either inherit their fortunes or amass them at the expense of the worlds poor. How about ending our imperial and tyrannical adventures abroad and not participating in the production/export of deadly arms to other tyrants/imperialists abroad. Oh well, so much easier to fight amongst ourselves and declare Obama a snob, Hillary a corporate tool, and McCain a crotchy old geezer. Cheers.

By: Hillary-zilla on June 30, 2008
at 2:14 am
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I agree with your comment. I fear that if some of us vote for Mccain and some write-in Hillarys name and some of us stay home, THAT WILL DILUTE OUR POWER TO SUCCEED IN SAYING NO TO OBAMA. We must ALL vote for John Mccain. There ARE power in numbers.

I will be proud to vote Mccain. I love Hillary but between voting for Mccain or obama, John Mccain is by far the better and safer of the two.

BruceJJ,

IMHO, preventing Obama from being elected, reforming the Democratic Nominating process, and electing a candidate with experience are all ways of enacting actual positive change in our world.

Many of us here are activists in our own neighborhoods, fighting to make a difference. We are good at managing our time and care about multiple different things at a time.

Thank you for your comment.

[...] This Dog Won’t Hunt: Obama, Hound, and the Nominating Process  Governor Ed Rendell and others would have us believe that supporting Senator Obama will result in the change of the [...] [...]

To all people that fought against Barrack Husein Obama; stop comment and do action if you’re truly exist on this planet. otherwise whut up and support him.
Major hint for all of you.
1.At 4th of July he and Hillary shall attended meeting in Washington DC for show off case that there’s unity and already being kissed and make up. But the way I had learned from the news especially in Washington Post, she is forced to surrender and there’s no way for her to pay off her own debt save only if BHO lend his hand by using his supporter help. To all Hillary supporters that hate this SOB (you know what I meant), buy her back. Here’s how to do it; send your money directly to her while she is on stage. Collect the money right now and sleep over night if you had to, his supporter often times tell the Hillary supporter red necks is small and no significant number that could topple him down. Tell her staff that you all wanted to meet her before Obama speak on the stage in order to show support for her. And meet her by showing the banner which said “We love you Hillary”. All of you that BHO said is the rednecks, comes to the DC and joint your forces on the area of the meeting. Each of you or your representative must bring the second banner that said this”but We love our country so much more.” show the banner the moment after she accepted the money.
2.After all of the banner is shown; left the building and show to Mr. BHO your back which said were nobama or Hillary 2012. He shall be get the message and he would become so furious and angry. And the best part of all is if he lost his temper, and make comment do record it and caught it on tape; well atleast his face shall show it. He shall do our campaign rightly. Beside this shall show to the America that no deal for him like he said all over the media which already championing him as the Prez. Since that even is nationwide broadcast; well things going to be getting better and better.
3.In order to succeeded to get inside; you got to drop your allegiance; for example some of you that comes from PUMA; don’t wear any t-shirt that reveal you’re come from the PUMA.eg, instead show to all the member is the banner that written on your left hand is “We love Hillary” or any other code name so none of you could be indentified as nobama groups before the mission is accomplished.
Here’s another hint. Don’t be afraid of google censorship over anti obama; instead do this tricks that even google couldn’t handle:
1.Put the blogs or whatever as far away as you can from the Google base first.
2.Writing with the wordpress blog seems like a great idea but you could use google service against google rule it self, use the addurl, addme.com, Dmoz.org or whatever; the key us your URL is enlisted in the google. If goolge denies it, then google truly taking side, therefore we could sue google on behalf of our first amendment.
3.The contains must not swearing, cursed or anger writings instead all of you truly work on his weaknesses and his hidden secret; for example his nationality for if not his Kenyan then must be Indonesian. For I know very long from my best friend (obama step father clan owed him his people blood during anti Chinese riots back in May 1998) that none of foreigner could study in public school in Indonesia unless he already becoming Indonesian citizen. The other thing’s is if the husband come from Indonesian then automatically the child although had no blood tied but already accepted and adopted by the step father is an Indonesian so did for his wife if I could recalled it correctly and not vice versa. And this nation had not acknowledge until recently about 2 citizenship therefore if you become Indonesian then you must drop the other nationality. And here’s the best part; no retroactive in Indonesian basic rule unless all of the people forced the senate to do so. You got the picture now?
4.Don’t get mad, just get even. Didn’t this thing ever ring on your ear before. What is the best thing could ever happen unless we see him doom in this presidential race. He got to paid all of his debt if he losing this race. Lost the battle for us now is OK, but we must win this war.

Roe v. Wade is too important for this. You need to stop this now. We lost. Grow up. Move on. Fight in 2012!

Roe v. Wade.

We’re one SCOTUS vote away.

One.

You people make me weep.
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Abortion is not going to be made illegal. Republicans know that making abortion illegal would ensure a progressive majority for three generations. Also, the court has leaned conservative for decades and Roe v. Wade was not overturned. Also, if it was, jurisdiction would simply pass to the states, which would not outlaw it. Also, the Democratic Congress, not John McCain, could block anti-Roe judges.

This is a scare tactic pulled out by extremists in election years to rile up voters. Nothing ever happens. Voters shouldn’t fall for it.

-DONE

Comment by ZombieForTruth
June 30th, 2008 at 9:01 pm

Must See Video OBAMAS OCTOBER SURPRISE (IN JULY) This show a Clear Picture of the Hypocracy of BHO on Race!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvXbmRZbs5M

Pass it on!

The power of the people reaches out over the NET, and even today, the words, WE THE PEOPLE, strike fear in the hearts of those that would try to under-mind the principles of our Nation. This movement, this grass-roots movement, is not about party, it is about the preservation of what we know to be Democracy. The “talking heads” just don’t want to acknowledge this movement, but it is REAL, and it will not be silenced, it will speak out, it will acknowledge injustice, it will not “go quietly into the night,” it will roar like a P.U.M.A and will signal CHANGE in a SLEEPING AMERICA.

David,

In addition to DONE’s response, you should know that the court already has the 5 votes needed to overturn Roe. Further, the justices who decided Roe were nominated by Republican presidents.

Moreover, Chief Justice Roberts himself has said that Roe is the law of the land and will not be overturned.

Please do not buy into this scare tactic or use it against others. There is no reason why we should be held hostage by a Party that ignores us and Democracy.

Further, exactly what are you planning to fight for in 2012 if Obama is elected? We’ll certainly be fighting for Hillary in 2012, after McCain’s 1st and only term.

ps: we didn’t lose, the nomination was stolen. that’s the primary reason we are protesting.

I have illustrated my NObama comments in videos

on You Tube channel

http://www.youtube.com/user/chi1928video

If you care to have a list of all the media outlets - their emails, addies and phone numbers go to

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111

Are you people all lunatics? Or, are most of you Republicans playing with former Hillary Clinton Supporters? Either way, especially those women out there who are suggesting they will vote for McCain or simply not vote–YOU WILL GET THE SUPREME COURT YOU DESERVE. Unfortunately, so will I, my daughters and my grandaughters. Grow up! Obama did not cause Hillary’s problems. Perhaps she should have allowed women to run her campaign instead of the good ol’ boys, many of whom by the way are either lobbyists for the Repubs or affiliated with Dick Morris, the biggest sexist, scumbag the Clintons ever invited into the white house. She lost because she ran a bad campaign. As a woman, I’m incensed at the whining that all of you are doing! Of course there was sexism–as women we have to fight back. I regularly wrote to television networks and newspapers to tell them how disgusted I was with their treatment of Hillary. On the other hand, what I’ve read in all the blogs contained on this site is just as bad. You’re either racist or just plain bad losers. And, if we do lose this election because of you people…well I hope you suffer the most from another 4 years of Republican anarchy.
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However Hillary lost, whatever Hillary’s problems, she is no longer in the running. Therefore, the issue now is whether Obama has the character and experience to be President. The answer to that is ‘no’.

Thank you for your comment.

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to iamtheonlyone~

1. Even if Hillary was given all of the delegates she earned for the illegal contest in Michigan, Obama still would’ve been the eventual pledged delegates winner.

2. Even if Hillary did win the pledged delegates contest by getting the illegitimate delegates from Florida and Michigan, the superdelegates would have still picked Obama because it was obvious he won the nomination via the determined rules. If Hillary was handed the delegates of states and won the election, I’d say at least 40-50% of Obama’s supporters would’ve boycotted the election or voted for McCain, and McCain would’ve won easily. You sore losers are about 10% of Hillary’s core, you’ll need more than that to beat Obama.

3. The RIGHT thing to do would be to not seat either state, and Hillary wouldn’t have even been as close as she was at the end. Those delegates were seated to appease the states, not you sore losers.
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1) My name is “iam0nly1.”

2) It is laughable that you call the Michigan primary “illegal.” It was a fully legal primary and was made official by the Secretary of State of Michigan.

3) You are mistaken about your delegate count. Had MI and FL been seated at full strength, having fairly reflected the outcome of the primary, Hillary would have been ahead as of May 31st. She would have maintained that lead as she won PR, and SD.

4) Since you are so adamant that “if Hillary was handed the delegates of states and won the election” that a large portion of Obama’s followers would have boycotted and voted for McCain (would you have called them sore losers as well) then I’m sure you can understand why we are boycotting and voting for McCain, as we have even more reasons we refuse to vote for Obama.

5) Our numbers are large and growing. We represent nearly 25% of Hillary’s primary voters, which is a very conservative estimate. Ignore us at your own peril. Further, Obama was never electable and will suffer a defeat in November, of his own making. So, in actuality, he’ll need more than our votes to beat McCain.

6) It’s sad to hear professed Democrats arguing that votes shouldn’t be counted because of arbitrary rules that were not even dutifully followed. Obama was selected, not elected, and we will not support an appointee instead of a nominee.

Thank you for your comment.

iam0nly1

Mizzen,

You seem to have an anger problem. Wishing harm upon us is not going to make us change our minds nor assuage our concerns about Obama.

Of course there was sexism–as women we have to fight back. I regularly wrote to television networks and newspapers to tell them how disgusted I was with their treatment of Hillary. On the other hand, what I’ve read in all the blogs contained on this site is just as bad. You’re either racist or just plain bad losers.

We too fought back against the sexism and we continue to fight. Rolling over now will simply condone the sexism that went on and continues to go on. The DNC and Obama’s campaign were complicit in and propagated much of the sexism that went on.

What, pray tell, have you read on this site that is “just as bad” as the vehement sexism directed at Hillary? I’m sure none of it has come from myself or the other administrator, 12counts. Since you purport to be a former Hillary supporter, it shocks me that you are so quick to levy the “racism” claim. It needs to stop. Nothing we have said is racist - NOTHING! Further, 12counts and myself are both African American and are severely tired of the accusations of racism. They are shallow and serve as a crutch for Obama.

As for being “sore losers,” you should know it’s not about whether Hillary lost (which we don’t believe she did, as the nomination was handed to Obama at the RBC meeting on May 31st) it’s about how and why. We will not stand by and support the undemocratic actions of the Democratic(?) Party, nor will be held hostage by Roe v Wade, which is not going to be overturned.

Lastly, know that Obama will lose, and it won’t be because of us. Senator Obama was never electable. His loss will be of his own making. We shall simply pad McCain’s margin.

Thank you for your comment.

and just a final comment, you guys are doing a terrible job retiring Hillary’s debt. If you really support her, get on that, because I think it is a disgrace her 18 million supporters have been unable to retire that debt at about $1.25 each while Obama sends and email and has $20 million within a month. Many Obama supporters, including myself, have donated to her campaign to help retire the debt in spite of the actions of her supporters because we respect her, but Obama’s supporters are more concerned with getting him elected and most won’r be doing the same.

Thanks for your donation Mike but we could do without your sarcasm and disparaging remarks.

You only add to the reasons many of us will not support Obama.

HEY!!!everyone I can not believe i am on this dumped groups web sites. I used to support Hillary in the primaries but i was a democract first so by that you know what i mean. she is just a politician like everyone else i happend to like her policies before she lost the nomination to obama so i will definetely vote for the nominee cause they have similar policies and i truly know most of these people who formed these groups are part of the ( RUSH operation kos) not democrats

Let’s go back to JMK’s remarks on June 29th. This is what we should be working on…please don’t come here and call us names..let’s get to work.
I love coming here because I find most people here are positive and want to work to make the DNP responsible for making right ..the wrongs they thrust on the people who have been Democrats all of our lives. Yes, we were robbed, yes Hillary did not run the best of campaigns, but enough..just because he outspent her , doesn’t qualify him to be President. This man was told by the Party that he could win…our Party!! and they did everything dishonest to make it happen.
Now it’s payback!!

I am tired of being called Racist and I am tired of being called a Republican. I am tired of being told about Roe vs Wade. I am tired of the Democratic party. I am going to vote for McCain because I like and respect him. I am not going to worry about Roe vs Wade because it is the law of the land and not likely to be overturned. I am not a racist as I am an African American who is sick of the race card being played inappropriatly. I am sick of the so called former Hillary supporters who come to these sites to get us to unify. Why do they want us to unify? They want us to unify because since we are the Core Democrats if he loses even 2% of us he is toast. That just goes to prove that we are not Republicans because if we were then why would the Democrats be so worried. So Obamabots please go and tell your Master that PUMA is here to stay.

Whoa Nancy,

I assure you we are not Republicans. If you can honestly look back on and watch currently the actions of Obama and the Party (the sexism, the race baiting, the lies, the character assassination, the RBC hijacking), forget the fact that Obama is woefully unqualified and not a true progressive, then that is your prerogative.

However, we PUMAs have had enough of this mess and are fighting against it. If you don’t understand why, please look to our Need Reasons? page and our MANIFESTO.

Do you guys really think that Hillary will run in 2012′ - AND WIN (should BO lose) ???

ROFLMAO…don’t make me laugh.

In 2012…she won’t be the nominee then either (should Obama lose). Others have seen her weakness….should Obama lose - new blood will rise in the party and Hillary will lose yet another Primary.

She’s not worthy..quite frankly.

Why is it that…that you guys can call the FL and MI decision unfair - WHEN IT WAS HILLARY WHO AGREED TO THE TERMS (that the two states wouldn’t count at all) IN THE FIRST PLACE ! :-D

Second…Racism is not an overused term or a ‘crutch’ (as someone put it) used by Obama. It’s real…and Hillary surrogates made sure that they used race to try and drub Obama (ask Geraldine Ferraro). Even how she stated that Obama couldn’t win working class white votes turned out (as of recent) to be a racist lie…..

BTW…I’m white.

And get ready for President Barack Hussein Obama :-D

-Rob Hussein-

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