Where do we sign the durned thing?
By: josgirl on July 6, 2008
at 4:02 pm
If Hillary doesn’t get the top of the ticket, I think Sarah Palin is the way to go. I think she’ll be the first female President (after serving one term as VP under McCain).
I came across this site: puma4palin.blogspot.com
By: Ted on July 6, 2008
at 8:21 pm
Hillary is in debt. Here campaign team has been dismantled & the best bits moved to Obama. That goes for Hillary’s Money people too. All with Hillary’s blessing.
If Hillary gained the nomination how do you suppose that she could run & finance a competant campaign?
She botched the primaries with everything going for her. Now everything would be against her. No planing. No organisation. No money.
Sorry people but it is just too late, and the Super Delegates know it.
You may want Clinton but it is Obama or it is McCain. This plan will not give you President (Mrs) Clinton, but a floor fight might just give you President McCain.
Finaly if you respect Hillary then listen to her. She is telling you to unite around Obama.
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1) Hillary’s best and most loyal donors have not moved to Obama. They have met with them in joint appearances but have refused to donate or give up their donor lists.
2) Hillary’s campaign was competent. The nomination was stolen from her, in our opinion. She did not botch the primaries. She won the most votes and the most pledged delegates if they are counted in full and in fair reflection of all primary results.
3) Hillary has over $30 million in her general election fund. She has plenty of money. Further, if Obama is no longer the nominee his funds will most likely be switched to Hillary.
4) Perhaps it is “too late” but that doesn’t mean we won’t continue to fight for fair representation and fair convention.
5) In case you haven’t noticed, many of us are just fine and dandy with a President McCain and are planning on voting for him ourselves should Obama be the official nominee.
6) We respect Hillary, but we are not Obots, nor are we lemmings. Hillary has chosen her path (under political duress) and we have chosen ours. Hillary is not our mother and we don’t have to do what she tells us. To even attempt to sell that proposition is ludicrous.
Thank you for your comment.
iam0nly1
By: Blame on July 7, 2008
at 3:06 am
You people are IDIOTS and you just wont let go. Clinton has let go why dont you. We the people decided and now your trying to tell us that we want Clinton. Your not a real Democrat……..
By: A Proud Vet on July 7, 2008
at 6:10 am
Proud Vet,
Please refrain from the personal attacks. Further, we are not “bitter” or “clingy,” we are determined.
In addition, it seems you are unaware that Hillary won the popular vote and is thus the choice of the people. Obama was selected by the DNC in direct contradiction to the will of the people and the true pledged delegate count.
Lastly, if being a “real Democrat” requires unconditional acquiescence to all Party actions, and an obligation to vote for anyone with a ‘D’ behind their name no matter how corrupt, sexist, unqualified, inexperienced, and unprincipled, then no, we are not real Democrats.
Thank you for your comment.
By: iam0nly1 on July 7, 2008
at 7:21 am
Hillary Clinton’s win of the popular vote is debatable.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html
Popular Vote Total (Excluding Michigan):
Obama - 17,535,458 48.1%
Clinton - 17,493,836 48.0%
Popular Vote Total (Exc. Michigan, Inc. Caucus Sts.)
Obama - 17,869,542 48.2%
Clinton - 17,717,698 47.8%
Popular Vote Total (Including Michigan)
*No Votes are assigned to Obama in Michigan, since it signed himself as uncommitted.
Obama - 17,535,458 47.4%
Clinton - 17,822,145 48.1%
Popular Vote Total (Inc. Michigan, Inc. Caucus Sts.)
Obama - 17,869,542 47.4%
Clinton - 18,046,007 47.9%
As I remarked above, the Michigan primary practically renders 80% of the primary votes to Clinton, through technicalities.
A far more accurate way to deduce the Michigan primary’s vote is to use the exit polls for uncommitted. Approximately 73% of uncommitted would have voted for Obama.
Uncommitted was assigned 238,168 votes
In taking these numbers into account, the popular
vote would have been:
Popular Vote totals (Including Exit Polls)
Obama: 17,709,321 49.8%
Clinton: 17,822,145 50.2%
If you wish to be completely inclusive (including Caucus states)
Obama: 18,043,405 49.996%
Clinton: 18,046,007 50.004%
Though Clinton did win the popular vote from my approximation, it is within a margin of error from the exit poll. I can only interpret this as a tie.
By: nnate on July 7, 2008
at 8:11 am
Sorry, wrong link for the exit polls. Sometimes I read things too fast
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225987/
The question listed is:
If these had been the candidates on the ballot today, for whom would you have voted in the Democratic presidential primary?
From the uncommitted (Kucinich was on Ballot):
Obama: 35%, Edwards: 12%, Richardson: 1%
0.35/0.48 = About 73%, making the previous post valid.
By: nnate on July 7, 2008
at 8:19 am
nnate,
I appreciate your analysis. However, rules are rules are rules, as Obama’s supporters so like to intone. Just because Senator Obama took his name off the ballot in Michigan does not nullify those results.
We have hard numbers and those numbers say Hillary is the popular vote winner. If you want to be truly inclusive, we should attempt to estimate all the Hillary supporters who were unable to attend the caucuses, or we should use the primary results from states that also held caucuses like Washington, Nebraska and Texas.
Senator Obama did not want to give the people of MI a chance to vote for him because he knew he would lose. He cannot retroactively attempt to gain votes…that would be changing the rules mid-game, and we know how the Obama supporters don’t like that.
PS: I may be wrong, but I thought Hillary won Michigan with 55% of the vote, meaning Uncommitted didn’t get 48%. I’ll check
By: iam0nly1 on July 7, 2008
at 9:27 am
Well, it’s either gonna be McCain/Palin or …
Barack Obama starring as “Change” the Gardener in remake of movie classic, “Being There”, starring Peter Sellers as “Chance” the Gardener!
*HT to hs commenting on
puma4palin.blogspot.com
By: Ted on July 7, 2008
at 9:41 am
The numbers in my analysis is based on realclearpolitics:
(Percents assuming Dodd and Kucinich were not in race)
Hillary Clinton:
328,309 58%
Uncommitted:
238,168 42%
By: nnate on July 7, 2008
at 11:35 am
In Michigan
By: nnate on July 7, 2008
at 11:39 am
Thanks for getting those last numbers nnate.
My question now is how do the previous percentages of the uncommitted vote add to 48% when the total was only 42%.
Also, while I frown on the exit polling date (Kerry won the exit polls in ‘04), by my estimations, if Obama really did get 73% of the uncommitted vote, that still means he would have lost by double digits and would have only gained roughly 170,000+ votes.
I’m a believer in hard numbers, and more a believer in truly democratic processes that give access to the most people, and thus more accurately represent the will of the voters.
By: iam0nly1 on July 7, 2008
at 11:58 am
Oh… I get it. 48% was not the uncommitted vote.
This percentage is based on the exit poll, asking who would people vote for if all the candidates were on the ballot.
I just listed the candidates who have declared themselves uncommitted. And from there calculated Obama’s percentage from that group.
Sorry for being unclear.
By: nnate on July 7, 2008
at 12:56 pm
iamonly, thank you for respecting my analysis. I thought that including every caucus and primary would give Obama a statistically significant victory.
But mathematics reveal many things that are not immediately obvious. Hillary Clinton winning the popular vote, albeit by only 3000 votes, was contrary to my expectations.
A very bored math student,
Signing out
By: nnate on July 7, 2008
at 1:44 pm
No prob, nnate.
In the future, it’s good to consider that Hillary Clinton would be remise to claim the popular vote victory if she did not have it in the most inclusive circumstances, considering the media’s hatred for her and pretense of parsing her words and carefully investigating all her claims and twisting them if they see fit.
I’m sure her victory would be even larger if we instead counted the primaries in the states that also held primaries, as they are more representative and more people participated.
Thanks again for your comments and math analysis.
By: iam0nly1 on July 7, 2008
at 2:15 pm
Obama, is ture on that change bull.. he’s not going to get out of Iraq.. he is now changeing everything.. 2,3, maybe 4 faces Obama has..
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By: Could Clinton Stage a Coup to Oust Obama at the DNC? | GLOBAL SENSE on August 3, 2008
at 10:44 am
Are you really out of your mind or intentionally feeding untrue information about Obama to misinformed/gullible people?
By: TheTruth on August 25, 2008
at 6:07 pm
The problem is if Obama loses due to our votes, Hillary will never see a nod again from the DNC . This is why she is doing what she is, and I think she was prommised the Secratery of State Job for her cooperation.
Just a thought, Republicans will set womans rights back 50 years when they overturn Roe-v-Wade as McCain has said he will, and share NONE of our values. Think before we vote !!!
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Republicans have been threatening to overturn Roe v. Wade since forever. With Bush in office, they had all three branches of government…and nothing happened. Roe v. Wade is still here.
This is a wedge issue trotted out every four years to drum up votes. Nobody is falling for it anymore.
If Obama wins, Hillary will never see a nod again from the DNC. So either way, she loses. Thus, it’s no longer about her. The question is only whether or not Obama is qualified to be President. The answer to that question makes it easy to vote.
By: Bill on August 30, 2008
at 6:30 pm